A "Suitable" stopgap? Pic heavy K/R including Tuxedo separates

Hello, my name is Suz and I don't have enough toppers! 

Background: At the moment, apart from my kimono jacket, I don't own a single black topper. I retired my vintage Hobbs crepe 3 button jacket so I am out! 

(Actually, apart from two leather jackets and my recent blue jacquard blazer purchase from Zara, I have no F/W jackets. So that is where I am starting from -- and I am a person for whom jackets are the backbone of the closet.)

Here for consideration, two items -- The Banana Republic Monogram Tuxedo jacket, and the BR Martin plaid trousers also so beautifully modelled by Ceit, Sveta, Marianna, and others. 

First, the pants. They are rolled up here and possibly not the right length since I didn't bother to pin. Please ignore that. Also, if the fit is judged poor, they go back -- there is no sizing up. (There are none in the bigger size and it does not fit anyway -- I tried it in the store.) Note: Mr. Suz fell in love with these. 

Next, the jacket with pants, for a sort of unmatched "suit." Would this be do-able? Or is it just dumb? 

Pic 5 shows the jacket done up. I would never wear it that way, but there it is. 

Pics 9-12 styled with my baggy/ slightly slouchy tapered wool trousers. The blacks are not identical but they are close, and the weight of the fabric is very similar. So I think they could work together? As a sort of "le smoking" a la Angie's dressy separates blog post today? 

Pics 13-15 styled a few possible ways, or at least half-styled. 

Fit concern: the sleeves are just a touch too long. I don't know why since they were not too long on a version I tried on in the store on the weekend. But there it is. I would usually wear them scrunched. But it's a bit annoying. An alteration probably  isn't possible or worth it because the buttons are too close together and the sleeve is only a teeny weeny touch too long. 

Also, I always worry that this length of jacket cuts me in half and makes my legs look even shorter than they are. 

Would love your thoughts. 

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37 Comments

  • replied 10 years ago

    I like both. I vote keep.

  • replied 10 years ago

    Yes to both from me! Wow, I need to check out that tuxedo jacket.

  • pil replied 10 years ago

    Could you try another jacket from the store on the off chance that the sleeves are shorter? Or does that involve more mail order?

    I don't understand proportions enough to comment on that aspect, but the jacket looks really nice to me. Does the dark color disguise the tuxedo detail? Maybe I'm completely missing something, but the other suit went back because it was too traditional. Isn't this somewhat of a traditional cut too?

    Those Martins are outstanding!

  • Marmee replied 10 years ago

    I think they both look great!  The jacket length looks good to me, but now you have me wondering if Angie has written about that (like pants length).  She did write about jackets over dresses here http://youlookfab.com/2010/10/.....r-dresses/ and I think your jacket/dress combination looks similar.

  • Sveta replied 10 years ago

    The pants are perfect. The jacket I have seen IRL so I don't even bother with pictures here  - you know I liked it if you are after a fitted style in tux. :-)

    Maybe you should try to get another blazer in case sleeve cut is different?
    BTW, did you get them with discount?

  • sarah replied 10 years ago

    I think the jacket looks great and I like the proportion, especially with the pants. I wear jackets with non-matching pants all the time, so I don't think it's dumb!

    Regarding the pants - will you humor me and measure the opening circumference (or half of it, i.e., when the pant legs are laying flat, what is the distance across the bottom of the leg)?

    I'm curious about whether I think you might want to narrow them a touch. But I want to compare to some pants I have.

  • KeepTheKey replied 10 years ago

    I love, love, LOVE the jacket, especially the way you've styled it in 15! It doesn't cut you in half, as long as you leave it open. As for the pants, I was initially hesitant with the first three photos. It's definitely not a fit issue, because these look great on your figure. After seeing them with a topper, I like them a lot more. Maybe it's just my maximal style getting in the way, but I think just the pants and a white button front are a bit too plain. 

    ETA: Oof! I forgot to add my 2 cents about the "suit"! I think the pants and jacket look great together. 

    Hope that was helpful :-)

  • JAileen replied 10 years ago

    I'm sorry but I think the plaid pants look too tight in the leg and across your rear. I like the pants, though. I think pants like that with a dark jacket is a great look. I can 't tell with the dark pants because I can 't see them very well on my ipad.

  • Suz replied 10 years ago

    Pil - yes, to exchange would involve mail order. Or maybe not. I'm going back to the city in two weeks and could bring it with me on the off chance there'd be another in my size. 

    The tuxedo detail in this case is a satin lapel. It doesn't have the traditional shawl collar (which I love) but has a peaked lapel and notched collar (which I also love). This jacket is longer than the navy suit jacket, with a slightly lower stance. Tough to see these details, I know. 

    Anyway, I think you are right -- the fitted waist makes the jacket a bit on the traditional side. But perhaps not as much as the suit jacket. 

    Thanks for the link, Marmee! 

  • catgirl replied 10 years ago

    I am a huge yes, and I can't understand your short-leg comments at all! I do not see and have never seen evidence of it. Truly.

  • Suz replied 10 years ago

    ETA -- JAileen - thank you -- this is what I wonder, too. Mr. Suz didn't think so, but what does he know? They don't feel too snug, but you know....

    Thanks KTK. I wouldn't wear them with just the shirt like that (probably) -- but I wanted to show the fit. 

    Sarah, will be happy to measure. They are bunching at the bottom now because they aren't hemmed, but turned up. They would drape better when hemmed. They're a straight leg -- not tapered. 

    Sveta, got a discount on the pants, not the jacket. Decided to order it to play in the closet since I am going back to the city within the return window anyway. 

  • sarah replied 10 years ago

    I'm thinking about whether you might want them just a titch narrower, like these.

    Here's my post about making them narrower.

  • Suz replied 10 years ago

    Sarah, thank you! These ones are not quite 8 inches per side on the bottom. Off to read your post. 

  • Nicole D replied 10 years ago

    I really really like the pants on you - just fab!  Jacket seems to fit great, maybe a ta long in sleeve but otherwise great - always hard to appreciate the detail and texture of black but I love the fit and ill take Sveta's word for it being fab IRL.  Don't love with the slouchy trousers though.

  • RoseandJoan replied 10 years ago

    I LOVE them both and especially worn together with the white shirt. It is all kinds of equestrian, masculine, heritage goodness.

  • AviaMariah replied 10 years ago

    The fit looks great on both of these to me.  Someone said something about the jacket maybe being too conservative for what you're looking for but my opinion the tux details makes it more of a classic and easy to dress up or down.

  • Beth Ann replied 10 years ago

    Yum! for the pants.  Double Yum for the jacket.  That jacket is a terrific balance of masculine and feminine, modern and classic.

  • amiable replied 10 years ago

    Love them!  Yes!

  • Diana replied 10 years ago

    I like both but wonder if the jacket is still too conservative for you.  Because that's why you returned the other BR suit jacket, right?  And I don't see a whole lot of difference between the two to be honest.  Maybe I just can't see the tuxedo details well enough but I wonder if something with a more dramatic collar or even a style with tails might be more fun for you.  (It is kind of ironic that I am saying this actually because I was considering trying this jacket and Angie said it wasn't conservative enough for what I wanted, i.e. a perfectly matched interview suit). 

    Oh, and thanks for mentioning that it's actually longer than the other BR blazer.  I can stop wondering about it for me now (since the BR blazer is about as long as I can go.)

  • Caro in Oz replied 10 years ago

    I really like the pants, though it is hard to tell about the fit without them being pinned. The jacket looks like it fits really well I think it works all the bottoms.  

  • Transcona Shannon replied 10 years ago

    What Julie said.

  • Parsley replied 10 years ago

    I think those pants fit you like a dream, Suz!
    What a difference from the Theory ones that were just off. I don't think they look too tight at all. They are a big KEEP in my book! Narrowing the leg a little is a possibility, but that's just fine tuning.

    The jacket looks good, too, but it's harder to tell if it's THE black jacket for you. I do fully support having a tux style jacket, though. You'll find it incredibly versatile.

  • Sveta replied 10 years ago

    Suz, I have tapered my trousers by 1" and like them much better this way. Your size must be narrower than mine though. Before I tapered them they really puzzled me for PPL - and now it is much easier!
    I could not help but compare this tux with my BR tux from last year. Mine is definitely not as fitted and has some "swagger" to it which I really like. This is why I told Suz in the store that this tux fits her well if she is after a fitted model...for myself I prefer mine :-)
    And if wearing un-matched trousers and jacket is dumb I am the dumbest person ever because I do it ALL THE TIME!  

  • Suz replied 10 years ago

    You could never be dumb, Sveta. I know it's okay in theory, but does it give anything of the flavour of a suit, is the question. And I don't really know what I think about that. 

    I love the way your tux jacket looks on you. But for me, the less structured BF style can be really risky. A long jacket that isn't a bit fitted really can overwhelm my shorter frame and make my legs look super short. It only really works with a column of colour (like with my fuchsia suit, where the jacket is pretty boxy when left open.) 

    I think the bottom width of these pants probably goes up with the size. Which doesn't mean I shouldn't taper. I will do an ask Angie perhaps. 

  • Shirley replied 10 years ago

    Black jacket and plaid pants look good on you.  Not sure about the black pants.  I actually like the length of the jacket.  I found a longer length jacket look better with pants.

  • Suz replied 10 years ago

    I should clarify -- the black pants are already mine and they are intentionally a baggy, slightly slouchy pant. Not everyone's cup of tea, I know, but I love them. 

  • Angie replied 10 years ago

    Your hair looks blonder, Suz. I love it. 

    The jacket is a slam dunk no-brainer. It's a 20 out of 10 from what I can make out on the photos. 

    I vote taper the checked pants a little, shorten, and add a wide black belt. Good stuff. 

  • Joy replied 10 years ago

    I vote to keep both. They look fab on you in all your stylings. I have a matching set of tuxedo pants and jacket and still break them up with other black pieces to be more suit-like, less tuxedo, sometimes.

  • lynn replied 10 years ago

    I love both! Of course, I always love everything you put on so I might be untrustworthy. I'm also not sure exactly what you were looking for in a jacket but it looks really good. The pants look fantastic on you so I vote yes for both.

  • Suz replied 10 years ago

    Thanks all, for your thoughts and help. I will try them on one more time tomorrow and probably cut the tags! Or I might leave the tags on the jacket just until I go to the city -- it's possible i'll find one with slightly shorter sleeves. Should have bought in the store, Sveta, when I was there....oy. 

    ETA: Thank you, Angie, for the compliments on my hair. Not blonder (i.e. I have not done anything to it) but maybe more grey is creeping in! :-) 

  • Gaylene replied 10 years ago

    Wow, just saw this thread and got a look at the jacket--definitely a keeper. Nothing stuffy or conservative about this one.

    The pants didn't excite me until I read Angie's suggestions to shorten, taper, and wear with a wide belt. I'm doing a complete turnaround--another definite keep!

  • Ornella replied 10 years ago

    I'm not reading any other responses. 

    The pants are great, great eye Mr. Suz ;-)

    The jacket is beautiful, but I have concerns. To me it reads very classic (look at me complaining about things being classic) and this is the length I personally struggle with a lot both on me and on others. I think it can easily look frumpy, although I love every way you've styled it. As a stop gap it's probably good, so it's a matter of CPW really - how much you will actually wear it and how much the issues you've already identified will realistically prevent you from reaching for it.

    The sleeve issue would bother me big time. The fact you need to constantly keep in mind things have to be worn in certain way only to avoid certain issues, that kills the joy of wearing something for me. 

    Btw, things can happen like this - things don't fit the same although technically it's the same model and size. Just another thing to bear in mind on our quest for perfect fit.

  • Amy replied 10 years ago

    I like both!

  • Jaime replied 10 years ago

    I haven't read the comments yet. I love the jacket. Love! Just the sort of long, low stance jacket I want. Keep that. Less immediately in love with the trousers. Not that they are bad but it is not love at first sight. Back to the jacket, love it with the baggy black pants. Do I need another jacket? Hmm, probably not since I work at home and no one looks at me. But I look at me...Oh back to you, sorry for the silliness. Jacket, keep!

  • cheryle (Dianthus) replied 10 years ago

    The pants are a bit more tailored than you usually wear but that is not a bad thing in any way.  We all like variety and there is no reason that should not extend to the fit.  I think the pants are very flattering and if they are comfortable as well, then they are keepers.

    That tuxedo jacket is gorgeous and has me lusting after it.  I really like it with the plaid pants but not as much with the black pants.  I have a carry over issue with mixing two blacks in different fabrics to make a suit though so may not be a good judge on this one.  To me, there either needs to be a fair bit of contrast/difference or a match and an in between looks like a failed attempt to match. 

  • Alassë replied 10 years ago

    In my opinion, the plaid pants are flattering on you and hopefully a good color for your wardrobe. Yay on a jacket for Suz, finally!

  • Rachel replied 10 years ago

    I like the pants, but i have the same issue with length of jacket too. Sometimes I try to compensate for being short by wearing more fitted pants with a slightly longer jacket or top. Not sure if thats the way to go, but worth trying. absolutely LOVE the jacket with the dresses. Looks amazing!

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