Liverpool Suit UPDATE -- new size for comparison

UPDATE: I now have the XS for comparison. Photos 11 on. 

in my mind, there is no comparison; although we're dealing with even worse light today (sigh) the fit is much better. 

However, there is one tiny wrinkle, which may not be obvious: the dickey is inserted in this one, there is a slight "pull" at the front. This is not because it is too small or snug; it has to do with the way the dickie is attached in relation to the pockets on the smaller size --  they don't have as much room to play with so the jacket wants to stand out rather than lie flat. It may relax some with wear, though, or perhaps when I re-attach it I will do a better job. 

In a way, it doesn't matter, because the jacket fits better without the dickie and also fits perfectly well with my own hoodie underneath and is comfortable. This is my bulkiest hoodie and I'm wearing a fairly thick tee beneath that. 

I'm inclined to keep this in the new size; it's really comfortable and feels super easy to wear and work into my closet. 

Back in 2017 I bought a Black Watch suit from Banana Republic that I loved for its versatility -- it was very easy to dress down because the pants were ponte and the jacket had a spunky shorter cut (despite what it says in the Finds -- this was actually a short jacket). The pants gave up the ghost, alas, and  anyway, I had tired of the skinny silhouette, and the jacket is still functional but looking the worse for wear. So I've been hunting for a replacement. 

Several people suggested I search out a knit jacket during my recent thread about style adjectives, style persona, and the challenges of my work-from-home wardrobe. This Liverpool suit includes a knit jacket with a dickey (a poor woman's Veronica Beard) and slim straight pants. 

For those who might be considering it -- Angie featured the trousers (in a different colour) here, and for good reason. The quality of the fabric is quite nice -- it drapes well and feels soft but substantial to the touch, stretchy but not too stretchy.  It is not as warm as the BR ponte pants but that might be a good thing -- those trousers did not work in transitional seasons all that well. The sizing is very generous. I sized down. I would need to hem these (of course) to make them ankle length -- such are the everyday realities of being short.  I have turned them up here. These are a mid rise on me -- just below my belly button. Keep in mind, I have a very long rise. 

The jacket is also fun. I'm showing it with and without the dickey. By the size chart, this should fit, and it does fit the shoulders (at least with the dickey inserted) but it is actually quite wide through the body and looks a. touch wide in the shoulder without the dickey, so I have ordered a size down to compare. 

I would almost never wear the sleeves at full length; guaranteed I would scrunch, and the nice thing about a knit is that you can. 

It's a bit weird, in a way, to make a knit jacket dickey style. The whole thing about the dickey is that you don't have to have the full layer underneath because for some people that would feel constricting. However, a knit is stretchy so the constriction issue is much less. I honestly don't know how often I would wear the dickey thing -- I'd probably rather have my own hoodie to wear underneath! The zippers are a bit fiddly and annoying. But it's nicely constructed for the price. 

I've tried to show the plaid, which is a very quiet navy, charcoal, grey that will work well with most of my tops. I think it would look nice with fuchsia, magenta, burgundy, and red, too. Obviously, I would mix and match these pieces, wearing the jacket with jeans and the pants with different jackets. 

What think you? I'm tempted to keep if the XS jacket fits. Despite the dickey issue. There's another I might try from Simon's to compare, though. (In Finds). The problems with that one are the plaid is black, predominantly, and the jacket, I think, is longer. 

Comparison photo of the old Black Watch. That jacket was a bit shorter (I like a short jacket for myself!) but this one is not too long. 

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66 Comments

  • Star replied 2 months ago

    Suz, honestly, I prefer your old one by loads.  It looks way more classy.  The new one looks very casual and dare I say a bit cheap in comparison.

  • rachylou replied 2 months ago

    I quite like it, but not as much without the dickey. Without the dickey, it looks old fashioned tbh.

  • slim cat replied 2 months ago

    I like the jacket with or without the dickey - just different enough from traditional suiting. Your fab hair and new shoes do the rest :) !

  • jussie replied 2 months ago

    Hmmm Suz it’s ok, it’s not bad.... but I think you could do better. I think the jacket cut is just not super special… and I know you have high wardrobe standards so I think you’ll be happier if you keeping searching.
    I like the colour on you… the black watch plaid is a winner.

  • Kyle replied 2 months ago

    I quite like this, both with and without the Dickey, and I love the versatility of wearing the pants on their own, and the jacket two different ways. I don’t see what some of the other commenters have remarked on in terms of quality, and I quite like the colors for you as well. All in all, a good buy, especially once you get the jacket sizing sorted out.

  • Runcarla replied 2 months ago

    I like the suit style, and I really like the plaid (best seen in you later photos).  Agree with you about sizing down for the jacket.  Like it best without the dickey.  Very reasonable price.  How is the plaid alignment at the seams?  (Asking because I might order, but I’m fussy about plaids meeting at seams :-) )

  • Angie replied 2 months ago

    My two cents :)

    The photo of the old suit is in much better light, which I suspect is affecting the comparison!

    The Liverpool blazer needs to go down a size. That will make it look sharper, and fit more like the old one. FWIW, I think it has KILLER potential! 

    I've seen BOTH suits. I saw Suz in her BR suit in person, actually!  I saw the Liverpool suit again this morning! The Liverpool suit quality is good. I don't say that lightly. It's KNITTED and the BR suit is WOVEN, so there is that difference. 

    The knitted fabric might be better suited to Suz's new extra casual lifestyle. It's more comfy, easy to launder, and WFH ready. Clients with Liverpool items are raving about the comfort and ease for WFH. Items handle well in the laundry too. 

  • Dee replied 2 months ago

    Hmmm.. I think its a pretty good replacement, but I don't care for the dickey insert much, however it may work better combined with jeans. The pants look good, would be interested to see how the smaller jacket fits.
    I think the Simons jacket is too long and too dark.

  • Suz replied 2 months ago

    Thank you all. I have the smaller jacket on order. It may take a while before I can try on because I will be away next week.

    Angie is right about the light. I’m sorry I can’t do better in the current house. I lighten the photos afterwards by editing as much as I can. But the light here makes it hard to see details. 

    The quality between the BR suit and this one is actually comparable. The BR jacket is woven and lined, however. Which does make a difference in how it hangs. It’s also a different, more fitted cut. And the right size! . Which this one is not. So again. Tough to judge yet.

    The seams are nicely finished (not left raw) so although this jacket is unlined it has some structure to it. The plaids on the pants don't match perfectly, but pretty well. I will try to take a photo later. 

    However. I am not convinced by the dickey myself and might look for a knot suit without dickey. I can layer my own hoodies instead. But that requires more hunting.

    Suggestions?

    Thanks again! Appreciate the input.

  • Suz replied 2 months ago

    Knit suit!! Not knot.

  • Teresa replied 2 months ago

    Gosh, I like it and I like it on you.  It looks like a good replacement/update from your Black Watch suit.  Agreed that a smaller jacket would be better, but I think the fit of the pants looks good and the plaid looks really nice on you.

  • CarolS replied 2 months ago

    Suz, I know I am among the minority on the forum who like a relaxed fit, so I probably won't be much help -- but I am a sucker for a knit suit and I think this one looks great!

    If you plan to put your own hoodie underneath rather than wearing the dickie, would you benefit from the bit of extra roominess of the current size? 

  • Angie replied 2 months ago

    I think you will change your mind about the dickie when you get the size  down :) 

    What is particularly fab - and unique at this point - about the Liverpool suit is the LENGTH of the blazer. It's nice and short!

  • Suz replied 2 months ago

    Yes, it is awfully hard to find a shorter blazer just now. I know they will come back, eventually, but it might be a long wait! Especially at a lower price point, most of them are fashion forward 80s extra shoulder pad extra loose boyfriend styles. Which are absolutely great on the right person. But they tend to overwhelm me. 

    You're right that when the jacket is snugger I may feel differently about the dickie. Carol, I'm pretty sure I could still layer a regular sweater/ sweatshirt under it -- the knit is forgiving. 

    Crossing fingers and will update when the smaller one arrives. In the meantime, I will keep my eyes open for other options. For example -- this -- below, in Finds, from Marks and Spencer. But the jacket looks looser and longer to me. They don't give measurements for my size but the M is 72 cm long. -- that's 10 cm longer than the Liverpool jacket. 

  • Suz replied 2 months ago

    Carla, here are some photos of the plaid matching and the finishing. Ignore the colour reproduction (awful!). 

    You can see how the back of the jacket is pretty good, and same for where the arms meet the main body of the jacket. The interior of the arms are not as well matched. There are working buttons on the sleeves (a huge plus, for me -- I have a lovely and much pricier wool jacket from Hobbs that does not have working buttons and it drives me bananas!). And the interior seams are finished with tape. 

    The pants are well matched across the bottom but again on the interior sides the matching is not as precise. Pretty good, though, for the price point, and because the plaid is quiet, you really don't notice (or I don't notice) where the matching is imperfect. 

    Carla, I also want to say, this suit would look amazing on you. The pants would be ankle length or shorter on you for sure (you are a lot taller than me) and the arms of the jacket might not be long enough. The risk is that you might need a larger size for the shoulders on the jacket -- but then it would be too wide through the body. It does have princess seams, though, which helps to a degree. 

  • Jaime replied 2 months ago

    Hmm, I have a better impression of this suit than most and really like it. It is a more relaxed fit, and the lighting is difficult (I know you are doing your best!), but I think it looks pretty darn good. Waiting to see the smaller size - I do like oversize but I imagine it is easier in a woven jacket.

  • Runcarla replied 2 months ago

    Thanks for the info and pics, Suz.  I’ve got some travelling coming up in 2023, and like  the idea of knit vs woven as part of a travel capsule -plus I want a blazer style jacket…

  • Suz replied 2 months ago

    I think this kind of thing would be brilliant for travel. I used to wear the BR suit for travel, in fact, and loved it. The pants were nice and comfy and the jacket made me feel more put together -- plus I could take it off or put it on or layer with a scarf as needed. 

    It's really not bad quality for the price. They also sell this brand at Bloomingdales, which also delivers in Canada, by the way. In case getting the right size is tricky. 

    They are having a promotion right now, 20% off -- and it also comes in this brown/ blue mix, which is kind of fun. https://www.bloomingdales.com/.....r?ID=44584

  • Zaeobi replied 2 months ago

    I think it looks good for your more casual needs - agreed that the size down may solve the 'less classy' issues people see.

    Also wanted to commiserate on struggling to find shorter jackets - I like them to either be waist length or past the hips (on the hips feels a little 'too' classic & doesn't flatter me). I've had luck going secondhand but wouldn't recommend that for a knit suit (unless you can find one that's relatively unscathed?)

    The dickey (dicky? dickie?) inside is a matter of personal taste - if you left it off & layered your own hoodie underneath instead, would it get caught on the zippers? (I'm assuming the dicky is attached by zips?)

  • Suz replied 2 months ago

    Good question, Zaeobi. I don't think it would get caught in the zips. I tried the jacket on over my Icebreaker hoodie and it worked just fine. But who knows how it will work in the smaller size. 

    Agreed that I might have luck with consignment for jackets, but it's less likely I'll find a knit jacket, going that route. I have found some great jackets at consignment in the past, though. 

    Thanks, everyone, for the input, and I will update when the new size arrives! 

  • Jonesy replied 2 months ago

    I think the suit looks fab and would be super-practical and versatile for you! I much prefer it without the dickey. Lots of mixing and matching possibilities with that lovely plaid :). I'm curious to see the size down in the jacket. 

  • Bijou replied 2 months ago

    I like the new suit too - just as much as the old BR suit. The knit fabrication gives it a slightly less suited vibe and so you don't necessarily need to wear sneakers to make it casual. I like it with and without the dickey.

    My only reservation is that in my experience trying to find a direct replacement of a formerly loved item is tricky. Usually, and I hope this proves to be one of those wonderful exceptions for you, they just don't measure up to the original. I am wondering if you should try for a totally different type of suit.

  • Jenni NZ replied 2 months ago

    Well I like it a lot- without the dickie (however you spell that- not something I have ever seen IRL, only on YLF!) - which I do not like at all. But without it, great I say.

  • Janet replied 2 months ago

    I think it has potential. As some others have pointed out, this is a more casual replacement, which seems to me to be more practical for your life and the times we are in now. I know that I’m finding precious little occasion to wear blazers and trousers that are not easy laundered and/or comfortable for around-the-house, as well as presentable for other occasions.

    I would like to see the jacket a size down too. I feel like knit jackets don’t size up and neatly as woven ones, and require a more tailored fit. I’m personally into the looser vibe of a slightly oversized and longer topper these days, but find the details have to be right. This style seems like it needs to fit closer like a more traditional blazer.

  • Suz replied 2 months ago

    Thank you all for the feedback. It's funny -- they call it a "boyfriend" blazer but the fit is not truly boyfriend-like. It's a little generous but still has feminine princess seams -- it is not cut square (one reason it works for me better than many BF blazers.) And Janet, it's counterintuitive but you may be right -- a knit jacket requires a better fit than a woven. Interesting to ponder. 

    Bijou, that's a good point about replacements. I understand what you are saying. This would not be a direct replacement, exactly...more of a casual version (more suited to current life) than what I had before. 

    I think the dickie is simply one of those items that goes against some people's style grain. I've been layering blazers over hoodies for years as a fun juxtaposition so in terms of how it looks, I don't mind it a bit. It's more the "dickie" nature of the thing that has me scratching my head a bit. A real hoodie would be just fine. But that's me and a boyish style and a casual life in a climate where layers are a smart, smart idea. Horses for courses. 

  • Jonesy replied 2 months ago

    I really love the look of a hoodie underneath a blazer, but maybe it's the high contrast between the dickie and the darker plaid that I'm not responding to? (maybe exacerbated by the low light in the pics?) And, as you say, the "dickie" nature of it that I don't care for, lol--I never have liked garments with built-in add-ons like that (like a sweater with a fake button-down underneath, consisting of the built-in collar and cuffs in contrasting woven). I can't articulate why...

    Getting the right fit (right for *you* I mean) is a tricky business with jackets, in my experience! Fingers crossed about the smaller size.

  • Roberta replied 2 months ago

    The details - welt pockets, princess seams - really lift the style of a knit jacket into real tailoring. I like it!

    I get the dickie part, and appreciate that it is completely removable. I feel like this look might eventually date itself.

  • kkards replied 2 months ago

    well i really like it, with and without the dickey. i love love love the idea of a knit suit, it seems so 2022 new normal to me. and l love the idea of a zip in zip out "layering piece". 

  • suntiger replied 2 months ago

    I'm pro- knit suit in general for you, but it really is hard to tell with the lighting. From what I can see I do like your old one more though.

  • Katerina replied 2 months ago

    Knit suits are great - very versatile and practical. A knit jacket is my cardigan btw.
    As for this suit - I like the style and the length of the jacket, the colors and the fact that it is machine washable. The old suit, however, looks perfect in the photo and I am not sure if this one will measure up. That said, it is quite possible that the photos do not do it justice due to the lighting. Also, some garments simply do not photograph as well as others. I would say wait for the smaller jacket and trust your instinct and your sense of style - you have a great eye and you know what works for you.
    I like the idea of the detachable dickey btw - fun option.

  • unfrumped replied 2 months ago

    I like it, Suz. I think the dickey looks fine for casual layering “look” , but agree that it would be more useful if the jacket also can layer over an actual hoodie, likely a thin one, or some similar layer, as a great travel capsule item- airplanes, fickle weather forecasts- can use each alone or together for more or less casual looks.

    I’m intrigued by the brown and blue check version , as such a check or tweed is on my wishlist, and a HEWI since most such color combinations have more camel or cinnamon browns. I still have a VC knit blazer in black with different gray fleck, so I want to keep using tgst for black & gray and berry colors.
    I tried on something at Evereve awhile back in great blue and brown check colors, but did not like the fabric, and it was a bit longer and boxier, which on me with other casual items like jeans or sneakers, looks too masculine and not sharp. I prefer the gray color for a dickey as more brightening, but then told myself ( enabling self) that if the jacket by itself works , that would be more important.
    So, thanks for the link, and we’ll see.

  • Firecracker (Sharan) replied 2 months ago

    Okay, it's not a replacement, per se, but I like it! If you get the fit you want with the sized-down blazer, I can see this being a suit for your more casual life's needs. Having the matching hoodie-dickey at hand makes it easier to put together the super-casual look without stressing over whether you have just the right hoodie to layer underneath. Also easier to pack/wear for trips.
    You may still want to search for a wool tartan suit, for occasions where you want to dress up more. Is that defeating the purpose of this purchase?
    p.s. I empathize with the lack of good lighting for photos. I'm always at a loss when photographing dark outfits, and trying to lighten them up all the way with editing.

  • Janet replied 2 months ago

    Personally I LOVE the hoodie insert for my VB blazer — it adds a layer without the bulk and excess warmth of an actual real layer! I wonder if you might like this one with a lighter top underneath and casual jeans. The size down may help too. I’d play around with it. I love how it can casualize a blazer.

  • Ellemnop replied 2 months ago

    Nice find! I'm exploring Liverpool items as part of my quest for Stealth Gear, so it's nice to see the items on others and hear they tend to wash well. 

    I too love the functionality of a knit jacket, and agree that a size down will probably work better. I find that I tend to size down in knit jackets to sharpen the shape a bit. I love this on you, and think it sounds like a nice adaptation of an item you loved for your old life, reimagined for your more casual current circumstances.

    You could also potentially still look into altering these pieces a bit to tweak the fit, if that's what would push this over the edge to FAB for you. Would probably still be cheaper than a full Veronica Beard knit suit!

  • Suz replied 2 months ago

    Updated photos -- new size jacket. See original post. 

  • LJP replied 2 months ago

    Fabulous . I prefer it without the grey Dickie - just not the right colour for this suit (she says like she’s the designer ) . Smaller fit looks great too . I had replied the other day but obviously didn’t hit submit - shrugs -

  • Suz replied 2 months ago

    Ellemnop -- this suit is excellent stealth gear, I'd say. It could definitely work for that purpose! 

  • Suz replied 2 months ago

    Lisa (and others who commented on the grey) I suspect it's the poor lighting here that contributes to this impression because I get what you are saying from the photos. The light grey actually looks nice in person (at least I think so!) both with the plaid and on me, personally -- but it isn't showing well. Anyway, the suit has a very light grey stripe in it that almost veers lilac in some lights and I think could look fantastic with a lilac top (not that I have one, LOL.) But you get the idea a bit from the way it looks with the plum/ burgundy -- there's something compatible with that tone in the thing, even though there is no pink stripe, per se. 

  • Angie replied 2 months ago

    KILLER

    Now it's perfect! :)

    With YOUR hoodie, the stripes, and the new white boots = AWESOME.  

  • Dee replied 2 months ago

    I think you’ve got yourself a winner here!! Looks so adorable with those booties too.

  • Janet replied 2 months ago

    I really like it! I think the size down seals the deal. 

    FWIW, I don't have a problem at all with the grey hoodie insert. I quite like it, as it picks up the lighter tones, and it also adds a little extra casual integrity if you're after that. These days I'm all about adding that "chill" element that dresses outfits down a little bit, but that's also because of an increasingly casual lifestyle.

  • Jonesy replied 2 months ago

    It looks fab! Call me crazy but I actually like the lighter dickie with the white lug-sole boots, for reasons that I cannot explain. The Semiotics of the Dickie, lol. I really love it paired with your deep berry hoodie.

    Seems like a keeper to me! A knit jacket is so perfect for you!

  • Jenni NZ replied 2 months ago

    Looks fab! I like your own hoodie with it.

  • Runcarla replied 2 months ago

    Thumbs up!  


    I ordered the suit and it just arrived.  Quick try on results: I think the jacket is a keeper, however the pants are WAY too big in my usual size 8.  I’ve ordered a 6. Absolutely love the colour/plaid and the feel of the fabric. It looks great with my navy full leg crops and navy joggers.

    Will do a try-on when I’ve got some good natural light. It’s dark now at 5 o’clock :-(

  • Sal replied 2 months ago

    Love the smaller size! Winner winner!

  • Suz replied 2 months ago

    Thanks, all! Yes, I'm keeping it -- feeling quite happy with this purchase and thrilled I may be a suit twin with Carla! 

    Carla, you absolutely need to size down in the pants. You might even need 2 sizes smaller -- no joke. I took one size smaller but I have proportionately larger thighs and so it would be rare indeed for me to size down two sizes. 

    I can't wait to see yours! Also excited to know it works well with your joggers. I might get a pair of those myself, so...

    The fabric has a really nice feel and drape, doesn't it? It's really good for the price, I think. 

  • Runcarla replied 2 months ago

    @ Suz - the fabric is very nice.  I’ve been struggling with a travel capsule for 2 weeks in the UK in May, and as soon as I had  this suit laid out on the bed, everything came together - tops, alternate bottom, the whole she-bang!  Just have to get the pants sorted.  I have both size 6 and 4 on the way!

    I wish they had a matching full length wide leg or long leg flare.  

  • Angie replied 2 months ago

    YAY, Suz

    Carla! Sorry, I could have told you to size down :(  - glad the smaller sizes are on the way. 

  • Suz replied 2 months ago

    Wow, that's terrific! I am convinced the suit looks great with lilac which could be fantastic in May. I can't wait to see your capsule! 

  • Runcarla replied 2 months ago

    @ Angie - it’s very hard to order a 4 or a 6 when all your bottoms say size 8!

  • Suz replied 2 months ago

    Yes, I told her to size down but she did not believe me. 

    To be fair, I probably would have ordered my regular size bottoms too, but they weren't in stock so I took a chance with the size down (after reading what Angie said in her discussion of the pants.) 

  • DonnaF replied 2 months ago

    Glad you're keeping the smaller size. Looks great! Can you wear a medium weight sweater underneath?

  • unfrumped replied 2 months ago

    I agree, the smaller size looks much more “ you”, casual but chic due to more precise fit.
    Man, I ordered a small in the brown/ blue to have that type of color way for jeans and brown boots and cool browns, but Ooh, lilac-veering is right up my alley. I think I need a larger size than you - but now not sure.

  • Runcarla replied 2 months ago

    @ Suz and Angie - LOL!  I read about sizing down after I placed my order, but I probably wouldn’t have ‘listened’ to your advice anyway!  Shockingly rag-mannered of me to admit ;-)

    It bears repeating, the plaid is beautiful IRL…

  • jussie replied 2 months ago

    Wow; what a difference when you style it with your coloured sweater under! Looks fantastic like that.
    Of course Angie turns out to be correct regarding the size ;).
    It just goes to show sizing and styling is EVERYTHING!
    Enjoy your new suit Suz!

  • Bijou replied 2 months ago

    Yes - this is the one! 

  • Star replied 2 months ago

    The new size is perfect.  Makes quite a difference to my eye.

  • kkards replied 2 months ago

    And your wondering if you should keep the white boots? Clearly you should!

    (and i still love the suit, and think that either size in the jacket works so go with the one that you feel more comfortable in)

  • Angie replied 2 months ago

    Well, Carla and Suz, you cracked me up this morning. Thank you :)

    Every client so far has sized down in Liverpool. One size usually. Hope they work out!

  • Kyle replied 2 months ago

    I am stubbornly still liking the original Dickey. I like the contrast of the lighter color, especially with the boots and your hair. Hope you are keeping the suit. 

  • Suz replied 2 months ago

    Thank you all. And yes. I am keeping. I will wear with Dickie and without and with my own hoodies if preferred. It is pretty easy to find a light grey hoodie.

    Keeping the boots too

  • rachylou replied 2 months ago

    Yes this is good, the new smaller size. And I love the dickey and your amethyst hoodie with the jacket as well(!)

  • Ginger replied 2 months ago

    This is such a brilliant solution for you! Just a notch down in the formality and up in the comfort, but still firmly in your wheelhouse. I'm glad you found the right sizes to confirm.

  • Firecracker (Sharan) replied 2 months ago

    Excellent! So glad to see the smaller one is a perfect fit.

  • suntiger replied 2 months ago

    Definitely a keeper now!

  • Zaeobi replied 2 months ago

    Glad to see the smaller sized blazer* still feels comfy with your own hoodie layered underneath it too!

    *Is it still technically a blazer if it's made out of a knit material- or is it 'just' a jacket now?

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